Phil McGraw — the television star more commonly known as “Dr. Phil” — said during his speech at last night’s rally that Trump is not a bully. Following his remarks, NBC News asked two Trump-supporting and two Harris-supporting Arizonans if they believe Trump is a bully. 

Both Trump supporters said Trump isn’t a bully, while both Harris supporters said he is.  

“From someone that has been around and been ridiculed and bullied for a long time. I don’t think it’s appropriate to speak like that,” Benjamin Formisano said, reflecting on the bullying he endured growing up as a gay youth.

“I find it hard to believe that you could be the president of the United States and speak and act like that,” Formisano, a Harris supporter, added. 

“He has a position of power, so he should be more reluctant on some of the things he says the way he chooses to say them. But no, I think he just has a backbone,” Don Queen, 50, said on why Trump isn’t a bully. 

“The way that he talks, the way that he makes fun of handicapped people. I mean, everything about him, he is 100% a bully,” said Virginia Garcia, a Harris supporter.